I can only imagine how desperate and helpless an entire generation of children feel in Russia right now, with their fathers sent to die in a worthless war.
Probably with a very tribalistic “the world is against us” mentality.
they’re being told they are fighting a righteous war defending Ukrainians from Nazis
And the ones that don’t believe it have to shut up. Imagine being against the Iraq War post 9/11 in the US, but your bullies can get you put in jail.
I don’t know why you are getting downvoted. It’s true and you don’t need to be pro-russian or believe it to acknowledge the propaganda.
What I don’t get is how they can look at the rest of the western world backing Ukraine and not wonder “are we the baddies?” Or maybe they do and that creates cognitive dissonance too big to handle. Or they’re told all western countries are Nazis.
You know the insane amount of Russian bots on western-centric websites? Has to be double that on their own sites.
School shootings aren’t going to win you American support, Russia. Stay in your lane.
They don’t need to, that’s what the bribes and social media are for
Meh, leave it to Russia to bungle the whole concept of school shootings. If less than two kids get killed, that’s just a normal school day here in America. And really what is so tragic about kids getting shot? Life is best to those who live the least of it.
Fucking wow, a mod deleted a whole comment chain because it wasn’t directly related to the post. That’s pretty fucked. So much for being able to have any sort of discussion here.
Got it mod. No conversation between Lemmy users. Yes sir. Way to be so much fucking better than reddit, huh?
Yeah, there’s a lot of censorship going on here.
The modlog is nice, but it’s still possible for entire chains to be wiped from view if the post at the top gets removed.
I think we should have the option to see what mods censor. That way everyone wins.
Wtf is this comment trying to say?
Are shootings that occur near a school but don’t involve any students let alone kids really school shootings? Not enough people look at the details of reported “school shootings”. They are massively inflated with events that I would not consider a school shooting.
A quintessentially American viewpoint; that a shooting isn’t that bad because it happened near a school rather than inside.
Embarrassing.
I mean to be fair, it’s a difference between a public shooting and a school shooting. Property law matters. Contact your lawyer today, before it happens to you!
Property law matters
My guy, you’re making that argument to the wrong person lol
How is that any better? So when a shooting isn’t at a school but near it it doesn’t danger the children at all? Is there a magic barrier? I mean ye, it’s not technically a school shooting but it is still fucking mental. The anxiety those kids would feel when they hear shots, “am I gonna die now?”. No child should be afraid like that, the adults are failing them in the States.
As I stated a lot of the school shootings did not involve any children, but you want to still use the arguement of “think of the children!” Most of the shootings could not be verified to have even happened. Most of the reported shootings occured with handguns and not rifles. Most of the shootings involved drug dealing. You idiots are twisting the facts on these shootings as much as republicans twist facts on abortion and it is disgusting.
We have a right to bear arms because ever government wants to become totalitarian and our ability to arm ourselves is the only defense when protecting our right to vote and have democracy. Why did the USSR and CCP disarm their population? Why have successful laws passed to disarm americans only been targeted at blacks and other minorities? Use your head for two fucking seconds and realize that the threat of violence is the only thing that keeps corrupt politicians honest. I am thinking of the kids and praying they still have a democratic government when I die that respects their rights.
Do you really think your little pop gun is going to defeat a satellite-guided drone bomber?
Afganistan and Vietnam won dumbass.
Also ask the many assasinated leaders how things are.
After how many deaths and how many years?
Oh shit guys yeah Phew thanks. We can all relax now. No need to do anything .
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Yes, let’s not rush into to taking any sort of precaution to protect our kids. Much better to have this wild West situation we have going on now just in case me, Clyde, and Peepaw need to go toe-to-toe with the US Government in some sort of hypothetical hyperbolic David vs Goliath scenario. Totes makes fucking sense, dunnit.
As a gun owner, I recognize how absolutely lax the gun laws are. Let them make it harder to buy a gun. It won’t hurt you. At least then I know fucking “Off-His-Meds” Jeb down the street from me won’t be able to buy an AR-15 and mow down my family because my weeds keep “blowing on his lawn” or whatever inane shit he constantly yells as me about.
Maybe you could stop being susceptible to all of the gun lobbyists arguments and learn to think for yourself at some point. I don’t know. That’s just my 2¢. Maybe once you have a kid or grandkid going through school your tune will change.
Exactly. Let’s not even raise a finger to do the minimum amount to stop guns getting into the hands of impulsive kids or men to begin with…lets just give a gun to every motherfuckin’ buttwipe out there and let everyone shoot at whoever they want. Eventually one person will be left, with nothing but a ruined earth to comfort themselves. And maybe that’s truly what should happen, poetically justice speaking.
The only times I see pistols is when I see policemen.
The only times I see machine guns is in the hands of policemen at the airport, or when extremist groups are demonstrating and need protection by the police.
Why would I even need a gun, when hardly any criminal owns one?
The concept of gun ownership is flawed in itself.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with gun ownership. However, there is a shit ton wrong on how we handle distribution and tracking of them. We have more prerequisites for operating a vehicle than we do a firearm, and in a country where we have a SIGNIFICANT number of mass shootings, we are doing SIGNIFICANTLY little to fix the issue.
Gun ownership is totally fine. I bought a handgun and a shotgun on the same day (after someone tried to break in and attack my wife - they didn’t realize that I had just come home from a trip) and was blown away that I could just walk right out the door with them within a few minutes. A rifle for hunting is also not an issue.
Fun fact: handguns are used in mass shootings more often than AR15s. In fact, all rifles, of which AR15s is merely the most popular type, are responsible for ~500/60,000 gun deaths/yr in the US. Probably because, as you may guess, handguns are a lot more concealable than rifles.
Also, be fair about the buying process, you still went through the National Instant Criminal background check system. Sure instant checks don’t take long anymore due to Al Gore inventing the internet in the 90s, but they do still happen and adding arbitrary length does nothing to stop crimes. In fact even if they did, they don’t stop nor are they designed to stop the types of planned attack we’re talking about (mass casualty events), they are to stop “crimes of passion” (guy killing his wife), and there’s some contention that they effectively do that as it isn’t like the couple necessarily receives the proper counseling, so he just picks it up and does it next time he’s in a wife killin’ mood, or if he can’t wait goes all Chris Benoit or that “Stairs” jerkoff.
Sounds like a good reason to highly regulate handguns to me.
They are regulated.
I cannot relate to that. I am 37 years old and I think I have never witnessed violent crime, except in television or on playgrounds (children are assholes to each other!)
Yeah, it was terrifying. Like the guy knew she was there, we had just put the dog outside, so they were obviously watching the house. They tried to kick in the front door, and I ran to the front door have naked and half asleep. The terror slammed full force into me when I realized someone was at our door (could see through glass), and I had no weapon to deal with them. They ran as soon as they saw me. I had just gotten home late the night before, so they obviously knew that I wasn’t home, and the knew that my wife was.
It still wigs me out to this day.
How long does the police need to arrive at your home? For me in case of an active break in it would probably be around 120 to 180 seconds. So this usually only happens when nobody is home, it’s too dangerous otherwise.
Someone stole my e-bike from the back yard. And I have heard of break ins in cellars. But that kind of crime that you describe is very very rare.
Does that mean that gun ownership is a side effect of a security system that has flaws in itself?
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Every other country has a FRACTION OF A FRACTION of the amount of shootings that we do, and you have the gall to sit there and go “none of what you said or propose will stop someone”, when politicians and gun control groups have literally proposed NUMEROUS extremely common sense fixes to help curb the violence. It’s fucking loons like you that rally against it ad nauseum because “DeMs CuMmInG fEr MuH gUnS!1!”. You’re nothing but a gun lobbyists mouthpiece who would rather let kids get killed so you can keep an overpowered AR than try LITERALLY anything to help alleviate the situation.
No one is coming for my shotgun, or my handgun, or my hunting rifle. Literally no one will ever pass a law that will ban those. Red flag laws WORK. Mandatory withholding periods WORK. Banning AR weapons and bump stocks would be a step in the right direction. Pushing these laws on a federal level would help. Would it stop everything? No, but it would provide a LOT more opportunities to catch someone before it happens.
Fuck, do something to help our kids, don’t be the barrier that makes it more difficult.
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So what do you think is going to decrease school shootings? What are you proposing or support that will improve the situation?
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So basically… Fix every other nearly impossible to fix problem first before even deciding to do anything about the actual guns, if anything at all?
And to be clear, by impossible to fix, I mean politically, not that these problems are actually unsolvable.
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Those are all fantastic suggestions. In my opinion we absolutely should be taking much more drastic measures to decrease school shootings in the meantime, as nearly everything you suggest would still take at least ~15-20 years to see results. Any dead kid is too many and there are way too many school shootings.
Lol fantastic response. And its crickets from everyone else being critical
No, not crickets. Those things sound great, let’s do them. We should do everything we can, and that also includes stricter gun laws.
Not term limits though. It may sound like a good idea, but I implore you to research issues with term limits.
And you can end with bringing your gun regulations up to speed to every other developed nation.
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Nothing will improve the situation until we make a concerted effort to shut down gun manufacturing and distribution, even forcibly removing them from the hands of criminals any way we possibly can. And since the kid-killers at the NRA won’t allow that, the answer is - this problem of mass murder in schools is only going to intensify until everyone’s child is at risk and can no longer attend public schools of any kind. And that’s only the tip of the horrific iceberg of a shitshow that’s coming to our country.
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I am as leftist as any human being ever could be - and damn proud of it. Saying the truth always seems like “going off the deep end” to people who aren’t able to comprehend. I consider your remark proof of that.
It should be illegal.
Or sold with a licensed dealer present and require that it gets properly registered.
With a background check, and a waiting period.
How about mandatory gun safety training every time you buy one?
Oooooh…that’s even better.
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Actually with the new proposals to remove firearms from anyone with any kind of criminal background or mental health disorder, and the law being amended to allow this, there are ways to effectively stop people from having firearms. It’s simple humanitarian guidelines that need to be enacted. Only a churlish dolt would refuse to see the common sense of keeping guns out of the hands of men and boys.
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Since you asked me this twice, I will not answer it again. But I will touch on the black market part, no one can enforce the black market and that’s why it’s called the black market. but just because the black market exists doesn’t mean legal market shouldn’t. if you think a firearm shouldn’t have to be registered legally because it’s possible to get it illegally, then you are missing the whole point of laws and civilization, and I’m not really sure why you’re here. 
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Just look at counties without school shootings, the answer is pretty obvious: none of them have… video games, mental illness, or Democrats.
The fact that they don’t have an insane amount of privately owned firearms, or the ability to purchase them legally, easily, and with barely any restrictions, is just a coincidence. Definitely not relevant.
But then they bring up Switzerland’s huge stockpile of guns.
Without mentioning they only have them through military training, meaning they are fully trained on gun safety.
Or that they aren’t allowed to have ammo for those guns.
You had me in the first half ngl.
Not really, just kept getting worst
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Oh shit I forgot that Eric Harris and Adam Lanza both claimed Crips. I heard they C walked down the hallways as they shot up the schools.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re intentionally giving bad faith arguments, or just stupid. But I’m betting it’s the latter.
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Their government doesn’t deny the impending climate catastrophe.
NPR is a pretty neutral news source. Your comment on them seems a bit unhinged.
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The fucking truth leans left. The fuck do you want? Right wing shit is divorced from reality.
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I’ve seen the opposite lately, actually. They’ve been criticized historically (unfairly, it was just objective reporting) for leaning left, but they’ve since overcorrected and now lean center-right a lot of the time.
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I know what the sites say… They’re pretty reliably in the center. I think the whole “reality has as liberal bias” thing made it seem like they leaned left when in reality, that’s just what the center actually looks like.
From my experience, since I’ve been paying attention, they’ve over-corrected in the other direction. Still mostly center, but they seem kind of scared to be completely objective when it makes the GOP look as bad as it actually is. They seem perfectly OK with the fascist element taking control (who will most likely either do away with all of their funding, or turn it into a state-backed propaganda mouthpiece), because they seem scared that calling people what they are will make them appear “left-leaning”.
Just my observations. Maybe keep it in mind going forward and see if you notice as well.
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Such as?
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I was wondering how long it’d take for the word “propaganda” to show up on Lemmy. 3 seconds flat this time, congratulations!
Americans be like “see, not enough children died, so we should keep our glorious god given guns” as soon as any discrepancies in number of kids killed show up.
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I’m a proper American, from the Americas. You know, one of those countries your country likes to fuck around with every now and then with a little coup or private militia invasion. With those guns you guys worship so much. That kind of American.
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I don’t know of a country there that allows private ownership of firearms
Well, we do allow private ownership of firearms, just, AFAIK, a very limited number of models provided by a very specific entity rather than just about anywhere. I wouldn’t be surprised if most countries in the americas allowed some degree of firearm ownership (don’t care enough to look it up).
I didn’t mean that when I said “privately owned militias”. I meant the banana companies which dealt with strikes by sending privately owned troops on privately owned ships to these countries in order to reign in their poorly disguised slavery.
And Ajit Pai just joined
NPRThe American Public TV Board of Trustees. I’m not entirely certain if they and NPR are the same organization.so I’m sure the journalistic integrity is going into his giant Reese’s Mug, to be thrown in the toilet.https://indiawest.com/ajit-pai-elected-to-public-television-board-of-trustees/
Edit: found the article, will leave the original text up as the sentiment remains the same, just struck out.
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So far, anti-gun groups have never made up anything. They don’t have to, the stats are there for anyone who isn’t completely ignorant to see for themselves. Two mass murders in the U.S. in the past two days, and this is what you come up with? It’s no wonder humanity is plummeting into mass murder and insanity keeps rising.
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Sounds good, it’s a great day!
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So your objection is that they call a mass shooting a mass shooting? What magic number would you like them to use?
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“Normal shootings”
You just made me realize how much I’d love to live in a country where there was no such thing as a “normal shooting”.
Gun culture in America is absolutely fucked.
While it’s not quite “throw a dart board at a map”, it’s pretty close.
They’re so goddamn brain rotted that they don’t even realize how completely fucked that is.
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The “normal” number of people getting shot is 0.
They want you to sweep gun violence under the rug. You don’t need to ask why, it’s because gun sales bring in millions in profits for the gun-lobby and the Republicans they purchase.
So you’ll only care about children dying in school when the numbers go up even higher than they already are?
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There is no widely-accepted definition of “mass shooting” and different organizations tracking such incidents use different definitions. Definitions of mass shootings exclude warfare and sometimes exclude instances of gang violence, armed robberies, familicides and terrorism.
Maybe it has something to do with it not being any kind of official term and your panties are twisted over how the media writes them up ignoring the pain and suffering from others and building your strawman off semantics?
You have no idea how badly you’ve outed yourself as living in a little bubble where you think it will never happen to you, so you don’t care.
Because you’ll never be in a relationship with a domestic abuser that executes a house full of people will you? You’re the gun owning male, so you get to decide who around you lives or dies.
4 innocent people were killed – a number that is much more difficult to achieve without a gun – but you don’t want them counted because they knew the gun owner.
You’ve let the gun lobby turn you into a fucking sociopath.
I don’t really understand why it fucking matters. It is literally the number one cause of death among young people in this country. This happens nowhere else in the modern world. It’s unacceptable.
Stop trying to make the conversation about semantics
You don’t think the nra telling people to be scared and that they need a gun to feel safe is more of the issue?
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And, yes, each one of those 22,000 deaths individually is a tragedy, but that also means 473,978,000 guns sat around collecting dust
So if a gun isn’t being used to kill someone it is collecng dust?
In 2021, 48,830 people died from gun injuries.
Jesus christ… Let’s compare to other developed nations, wanna do per capita or total?
That’s not how most people define a “mass shooting”.
That’s is I and many others define it…
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No. It just takes some basic intelligence to figure out that mass shootings are shootings of multiple people. Sorry that concept is hard for you to understand.
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Ummm…why would you not consider that a mass shooting? Do you not have neighbors? It kind of seems like that really could be anybody considering many people have at least one unhinged neighbor around them.
Sad to see this so heavily down voted. A ton of emotional reasoning from people in this thread rather than by logic.
A gang shooting, police shooting, robbery, self defense etc are not mass shootings. Period. Its dishonesty to include those statistics.
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There’s an issue with Familicides as well. Those are often in private, but can wipe a household out. Ease of access is what is being discussed largely, as well as the general terrorism of a ‘public space’ mass shooting.
So Russia can list all of their school shootings for the past couple years with details in a condensed lemmy bot post…… very tragic still but damn it usa needs gun reform legislation nationally.
I don’t think we could list all of our school shootings in the past month this concisely, let alone going as far back as the 2020’s.
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Why are you linking a 5 year old article?
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Here is a pretty up-to-date one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000–present)
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Wrap it up folks, not enough people were killed, we can continue glorifying guns!
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The 14-year-old girl walked into her school in Bryansk, in western Russia, close to the Ukrainian border, with a shotgun registered in the name of her father, according to local authorities.
“The families of the killed girl and injured children will be provided all the necessary assistance,” Mr Bogomaz said on the messaging app Telegram.
Alexey Kuznetsov, Russia’s deputy health minister, said one victim was undergoing surgery, without specifying details.
In March, the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Ms Lvova-Belova and Russian President Vladimir Putin over alleged war crimes, accusing them of responsibility for the abduction of children from Ukraine.
In September 2022, a gunman opened fire in a school in central Russia, killing 17 people and wounding 24 others before shooting himself dead.
In May 2021, a man opened fire at students at his former high school in the Russian city of Kazan, killing nine people including seven children.
The original article contains 347 words, the summary contains 153 words. Saved 56%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
The middle paragraph is so disjoint. It’s only mildly more relevant in the full article.
Russia’s Investigative Committee, which probes major crimes, said the teenager killed one of her classmates and that it was looking into a motive.
Gun was her father’s.
Good news: Russia is adopting western values!
